diff --git a/discord/message.py b/discord/message.py
index 8d812bb4b..dc7387a76 100644
--- a/discord/message.py
+++ b/discord/message.py
@@ -1298,12 +1298,18 @@ class Message(PartialMessage, Hashable):
         :attr:`MessageType.role_subscription_purchase` message.
 
         .. versionadded:: 2.0
-    guild: Optional[:class:`Guild`]
-        The guild that the message belongs to, if applicable.
     application_id: Optional[:class:`int`]
-        The application that sent this message, if applicable.
+        The application ID of the application that created this message if this
+        message was sent by an application-owned webhook or an interaction.
 
         .. versionadded:: 2.0
+    position: Optional[:class:`int`]
+        A generally increasing integer with potentially gaps or duplicates that represents
+        the approximate position of the message in a thread.
+
+        .. versionadded:: 2.0
+    guild: Optional[:class:`Guild`]
+        The guild that the message belongs to, if applicable.
     interaction: Optional[:class:`Interaction`]
         The interaction that this message is a response to.
 
@@ -1321,7 +1327,6 @@ class Message(PartialMessage, Hashable):
         'tts',
         'content',
         'webhook_id',
-        'application_id',
         'mention_everyone',
         'embeds',
         'mentions',
@@ -1341,6 +1346,8 @@ class Message(PartialMessage, Hashable):
         'call',
         'interaction',
         'role_subscription',
+        'application_id',
+        'position',
     )
 
     if TYPE_CHECKING:
@@ -1363,7 +1370,6 @@ class Message(PartialMessage, Hashable):
         self.id: int = int(data['id'])
         self._state: ConnectionState = state
         self.webhook_id: Optional[int] = utils._get_as_snowflake(data, 'webhook_id')
-        self.application_id: Optional[int] = utils._get_as_snowflake(data, 'application_id')
         self.reactions: List[Reaction] = [Reaction(message=self, data=d) for d in data.get('reactions', [])]
         self.attachments: List[Attachment] = [Attachment(data=a, state=self._state) for a in data['attachments']]
         self.embeds: List[Embed] = [Embed.from_dict(a) for a in data['embeds']]
@@ -1376,6 +1382,8 @@ class Message(PartialMessage, Hashable):
         self.tts: bool = data['tts']
         self.content: str = data['content']
         self.nonce: Optional[Union[int, str]] = data.get('nonce')
+        self.position: Optional[int] = data.get('position')
+        self.application_id: Optional[int] = utils._get_as_snowflake(data, 'application_id')
         self.stickers: List[StickerItem] = [StickerItem(data=d, state=state) for d in data.get('sticker_items', [])]
         self.call: Optional[CallMessage] = None
 
diff --git a/discord/types/message.py b/discord/types/message.py
index 3217f7042..05205c6c5 100644
--- a/discord/types/message.py
+++ b/discord/types/message.py
@@ -126,6 +126,7 @@ class Message(PartialMessage):
     referenced_message: NotRequired[Optional[Message]]
     interaction: NotRequired[MessageInteraction]
     components: NotRequired[List[Component]]
+    position: NotRequired[int]
     role_subscription_data: NotRequired[RoleSubscriptionData]