diff --git a/discord/ui/action_row.py b/discord/ui/action_row.py
index a72d4db1e..47903a4be 100644
--- a/discord/ui/action_row.py
+++ b/discord/ui/action_row.py
@@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.
 """
 from __future__ import annotations
 
+import sys
 from typing import (
     TYPE_CHECKING,
     Any,
@@ -202,6 +203,9 @@ class ActionRow(Item[V]):
     def is_dispatchable(self) -> bool:
         return any(c.is_dispatchable() for c in self.children)
 
+    def is_persistent(self) -> bool:
+        return self.is_dispatchable() and all(c.is_persistent() for c in self.children)
+
     def _update_children_view(self, view: LayoutView) -> None:
         for child in self._children:
             child._view = view  # pyright: ignore[reportAttributeAccessIssue]
@@ -330,8 +334,9 @@ class ActionRow(Item[V]):
     def to_component_dict(self) -> Dict[str, Any]:
         components = []
 
-        for item in self._children:
-            components.append(item.to_component_dict())
+        key = lambda i: i._rendered_row or i._row or sys.maxsize
+        for child in sorted(self._children, key=key):
+            components.append(child.to_component_dict())
 
         base = {
             'type': self.type.value,
diff --git a/discord/ui/container.py b/discord/ui/container.py
index dab8f58ee..174a2ec02 100644
--- a/discord/ui/container.py
+++ b/discord/ui/container.py
@@ -25,6 +25,7 @@ from __future__ import annotations
 
 import copy
 import os
+import sys
 from typing import (
     TYPE_CHECKING,
     Any,
@@ -210,6 +211,9 @@ class Container(Item[V]):
     def is_dispatchable(self) -> bool:
         return bool(self.__dispatchable)
 
+    def is_persistent(self) -> bool:
+        return self.is_dispatchable() and all(c.is_persistent() for c in self.children)
+
     def __init_subclass__(cls) -> None:
         super().__init_subclass__()
 
@@ -263,7 +267,9 @@ class Container(Item[V]):
 
     def to_components(self) -> List[Dict[str, Any]]:
         components = []
-        for child in sorted(self._children, key=lambda i: i._rendered_row or 0):
+
+        key = lambda i: i._rendered_row or i._row or sys.maxsize
+        for child in sorted(self._children, key=key):
             components.append(child.to_component_dict())
         return components
 
diff --git a/discord/ui/section.py b/discord/ui/section.py
index 70c5a778c..28688152f 100644
--- a/discord/ui/section.py
+++ b/discord/ui/section.py
@@ -23,6 +23,7 @@ DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.
 """
 from __future__ import annotations
 
+import sys
 from typing import TYPE_CHECKING, Any, Dict, Generator, List, Literal, Optional, TypeVar, Union, ClassVar
 
 from .item import Item
@@ -115,6 +116,9 @@ class Section(Item[V]):
     def is_dispatchable(self) -> bool:
         return self.accessory.is_dispatchable()
 
+    def is_persistent(self) -> bool:
+        return self.is_dispatchable() and self.accessory.is_persistent()
+
     def walk_children(self) -> Generator[Item[V], None, None]:
         """An iterator that recursively walks through all the children of this section.
         and it's children, if applicable.
@@ -239,7 +243,7 @@ class Section(Item[V]):
                 c.to_component_dict()
                 for c in sorted(
                     self._children,
-                    key=lambda i: i._rendered_row or 0,
+                    key=lambda i: i._rendered_row or sys.maxsize,
                 )
             ],
             'accessory': self.accessory.to_component_dict(),